The Astrology of The Tinder Swindler with Madi Murphy of The CosmicRx
OH, LOOK! ANOTHER VENUSIAN MAN DOING THE WORLD DIRTY. This episode, we’re joined by our fave Virgo ever Astrologer Madi Murphy of The CosmicRx to discuss the astrology behind Simon Leviev aka The Tinder Swindler. We talk all about his Libra Sun and besieged Cap Moon, his Leo South Node, tons of biwheels, the Cancer eclipse when he was arrested, predictions for what will happen to him during the upcoming Mars retrograde in Gemini transit and more!
About Madi Murphy
Madi Murphy, aka the Cosmic Consultant, is an astrologer, intuitive healer, and spiritual mentor who is here to help you cut out the b.s. and activate your highest and hottest self.
She’s also the co-founder of The Cosmic Rx and the host of Cosmic Rx Radio, a top 50 spirituality podcast. Her work has been featured in Vogue, Marie Claire, Oprah Mag, Refinery29, NY Times, and more! You can follow her on Instagram at @iammadimurphy, @thecosmicrx, and @thecosmicrevolution.
Transcription
ELYSE: Hello and welcome to Allegedly Astrology. Each week we break down the astrology that happened during some of the biggest scandals and events in history and this week we've got an awesome grift filled episode for you. We love a grift here on Allegedly Astrology. So Dana, what are we talking about this episode?
DANA: We're talking about the Now Netflix famous Tinder Swindler AkA Simon Levin AKA Simone Hayut with a very special guest, Madi Murphy um and this is a listener request from Venus eight, you're welcome.
ELYSE: Ok, so, Madi, besides being an astrologer, she's a badass entrepreneur mentor, host of an apple podcast, top 50 spirituality podcast, Cosmic Rx radio and owner of the CosmixRx. We’re so pumped to have you. Thank you, Madi, for being here.
MADI: Yeah, thanks for having me on, I'm obsessed with you.
ELYSE: Wow, you know, we love flattery, but we're obsessed with you and we want to know everything about you because we did a deep dive on Google and we couldn't find your big three and we're dying to know.
MADI: I’m the least mysterious person that makes me feel okay, So I'm Madi, thanks for having me on, I am a Virgo Sun Pisces, moon, cancer rising.
SARAH: Oh my God.
ELYSE: What a combo, unexpected!
MADI: She is sensitive, but obviously anyone listening to this who is confused about who they are in life and astrology, but once I found my big three, I was like that's why that’s like that.
SARAH: I feel that makes sense because I feel like you are like so spiritual and like woo, but like not in a way that annoys me, you know, I think the Virgo like cuts through.
DANA: You were born on mutable full moon like me and also that you have a cancer rising. So we're both ruled by the luminaries, we're gonna have some great astrology.
MADI: I heard your mutable full moon point, like when you say stuff, I have sometimes like a lot of that. I hear myself talking about something three years ago, I was like just getting into the spiritual realm going and I'm like, and I say something out loud and like nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, a little, a little bit of something like some evidence to hold onto. And also I'm like the Virgo and the New Yorker and me has kept me, especially over the past few years, I'm like, thank God for that part of me that discerning skeptical kind of bitchy energy, that's like you sound ridiculous right now.
ELYSE: Madi, how did you get into astrology? Have you always been into it? What did your path to astrology look like?
MADI: Obviously nonlinear. My Aunt Sagittarius queen um she was like just the coolest and she had always studied like tarot and astrology and numerology, but you know, just a very chic, you know, Venus Mars in Capricorn traveling all over the world, something about it was just very like mysterious and elegant to me the way she brought a whole new world, but then they had sneaking, my parents were like uber Christian growing up, the whole thing, we talked about the podcast, like sneak in my like astrology books and like little spell candles I’d buy and we're like new age shop in my town and then you know like anything, I'm sure someone made fun of somewhere along the way, Probably middle school, high school, I was like, I need to be normal core, like fit in basically it goes like that and then you know, I had a little like mental breakdown, Saturn return obviously like to the day, like I did not know it was my Saturn return, but looking back, I'm like, yes, well
one day called off my wedding upended my whole life, quit my job just yeah, pulled the whole plug and I was like, well I got nothing left to lose, might as well return to some of that crazy, you know, woo stuff was into when I was born and then I started meditating, learning about energy, all this stuff and then um my now like best friend Mercury husband Colin, Queer Cosmos, like
SARAH: Love him.
MADI: He's into astrology, like my friend, he's like a gay guy into astrology. Listen, I live in Manhattan, I don't have time to meet every gay guy into astrology, I was running a different business at a time, like I'm busy, I heard him on a podcast talking about Taylor Swift’s chart, I was like obsessed with this guy, I do need to meet him actually, I take that back, we met and it was like love at first sight, we spent the whole night talking and his framework of astrology, I was like, help get me back and I was like, oh right, I love how you're using this to show up. Really consciously. He was the first person who really had me looking into mundane astrology astrology of world events. And then we started tracking like the larger transit and I was like okay, watching this happen like Jupiter and up until that point I was more looking like me. And so he was such an expander and such a teacher for me. Um so that's what I just went like full on and just started studying under his teacher um and he was, when he gave me the confidence to be like, you can call yourself an astrologer and now it's like, I don't want to feel like an artist I want a no bullshit approach to astrology.
ELYSE: I love that. Yeah, well, yes, we are obviously very pro expanding people's astrological knowledge beyond just yourself and how it affects you, but you know, broadening our world horizons and how astrology can affect everything, but today we are going to focus on one Douche Bag, his name is Simon Leviev real name, Shimon. And he is a 31 year old international grifter that used Tinder to con an estimated $10 million, likely more across Norway, Finland and Sweden before finally being arrested and sent to jail. He's had a recent notoriety, thanks to a Norwegian newspaper’s expose and of course Netflix documentary everyone has to watch, but Sarah give us a little bit of insight into what his life was like before he started living that fraudster life.
SARAH: Cool, so from the beginning we're gonna call him Shimon because that's his real name, but then as we go, it'll probably just switch to only calling him Simon honestly just because I'm lazy with pronounciation.
DANA: Or the Swindler.
SARAH: Yeah or the swindler, honestly like the swindler better, it sounds like a, I wanted to say, but t's like who is the detective? Sherlock Holmes, it sounds like a Sherlock Holmes is what I was trying to say, the swindler, but um Shimon grew up in a very orthodox Jewish neighborhood in a city just east of Tel Aviv Israel and when he was 15 he moved to New York and he moved in with some family friends and started just like pulling some bullshit um when he was there, he started using credit cards that weren't his, he was stealing checks from the family, so he's really been into the con life for like quite some time. So Madi and Dana, what are his big three?
Tinder Swindler Birth Chart
DANA: Okay. He was born on September 27, 1990 in a city in Israel and he has a libra sun and Capricorn moon. We do not know his rising. It's interesting that libra or Taurus men always show up in these like weird swindler or cult ones.
ELYSE: Like yeah, I think it's like maybe like having the powers of influence, like we noticed a lot of Venusian Taurus things in male cult leaders.
DANA: Well yeah, I mean I think I feel like I've been probably pulled up by Venusian men so maybe I just have a prejudice, but it seems like the evidence is here and it's clear. Um but yeah, so also it's interesting that easily person because like is all about balance right and he's able to balance all these relationships and also like take their money and like just charm them in a way that honestly I think like only a leaper really could, I mean I'm guessing, but and then also he's a Capricorn moon which I would never associate swindling with a Capricorn moon, although I do associate the monopoly guy with them so that could have something to do with it, but this is like serious and this is like this, I feel like is like the international businessman, he just like always like, oh I have somewhere to go on business. So how can you say? He's like I have business and it's like so obscure like what are you talking? What kind of business you weirdo. But also he was born four days after like Saturn stationed direct in Capricorn and three days after Neptune Stationed Direct. And so Saturn, Saturn is usually like the planet that pulls you in but with like the whole generation of Millennials that at least we're all in also has Saturn and Neptune here and Neptune is the planet that is deception. So this is like his ability to deceive in terms of like international business and he has Uranus there too. So he's like this whole Capricorn stellium and I feel like this is like making him able to sort of instead of like, because he's applying a lot of effort towards what could probably be a regular business career. But I think that he enjoys the deception and has a lot to do with these like stationing static planets.
MADI: Yeah, absolutely. I was laughing at the right when we started this is like, I gotta look up, you know, first things first on the charm and oozing luxury but they're like, I'm doing this in such a diplomatic graceful way. You don't even realize. I am married to a libra man and you know, and when he met him, he's like, okay, he's won me over. He's the one Libra man that has won me over. I would've put my exam because I was like, the boy loves to boujie luxury and the libra is a little like the charming but a little like, like now it's a little saccharine sweet. So the libra made so much sense. The Cap moon surrounded by those other planets. I was, I mean we can go deeper into this, but the Cap moon, I noticed it was like under besiegement in between all those like intense planets and so it feels like almost like being trapped there where he's like, I have to be successful and I have to be in business. But in between like this like chaotic like Saturn and like obviously he has mommy issues because of whatever happened with his mom. In that one scene, I was like Cap moon, like clearly, you know, there's something else going on here and you're like choosing to prey on women just like the moon usually represents like the feminine but that combo of just even those two. I was like, yeah, like there's almost like something outside of himself where he felt he had to like be so successful. But I'd like your pointing out like he also could have channeled all of that into just working hard, but there's a little bit sometimes in Libra energy that passive can almost be like, and I don't think I love my liberal in my life. But energy of Libra can be like so passive, it's like kind of looking for the easy way out even though it ends up being like so much obviously more difficult.
DANA: You have to like chaos a little bit about what he did. It seems like he could have been an international businessman with all that effort. How did he do it? It's amazing. Well, I don't condone
MADI His sun's where you're honest, so much chaos there and then why? Like, I'm like.
SARAH: Oh my God, yeah, the mars in Gemini to me, whenever I see Mars in Gemini, I just think crackhead energy and I'm just like, you're just going everywhere, you're doing everything.
MADI: I mean that's how we can keep track of like, how do you keep all those like stories straight? And he's like, but the smooth talking and the words, words, words, words, words and he's like on like 15,000 WhatsApp and then he's like Mars in Gemini and like using the like power of his over like these women. I was like, okay Mars in Gemini like yeah.
DANA: Sure. Also a real Mars in Gemini moment was when he kept calling his, I don't remember her name, his girlfriend who ultimately like took him down.
SARAH: Charlotte.
DANA: Okay. Like I'm so sorry that I will get you, I will get you. And then like, I'm so sorry, like let's get back together. It was like back and forth. I was like, this is mars in Gemini, this is insane or like never know when to shut up.
MADI: And like Martin Gemini people never so witty like, like my friends were like stand up comics are great storytellers. So obviously there's that shadow energy of it like even at the very end from going like ahead of myself, but like when like the actual documentary people who like laughter WhatsApp for them of like you'd be hearing from my lawyers. Yes.
DANA: Oh my God, like just stop talking to lawyers for sure it's just obvious that you are such a crook.
SARAH: We're just getting too excited.
ELYSE: Yeah, we have so much to say about this if you can't tell.
SARAH: So back in Israel he was all about that fraud and forgery life, he would cash stolen checks, he would steal checkbooks, that sort of thing. And eventually he was charged in 2011 with that forgery and fraud. He actually never showed up to court though and before he could even be sentenced, he just like got the fuck out of Israel with a fake passport and went straight to Europe.
ELYSE: Yeah, so he goes to Finland for a while in 2015, then he goes back to Israel again and then realized he was finally going to get charged for all of his crooked schemes but he didn't want that to happen. So what does he do? He assumes another fake identity this time as Simon Leviev aka the son of a famous diamond mogul, which also risky but he goes back to Europe and he, you know gets on Tinder and he meets Cecilie.
SARAH: Cecilie. Okay, so we're calling her Ceci from now on, so was in the region, she was a Norwegian grad student and she was studying in London when she swiped right on Simon on Tinder. Um they had their first date at a super fancy hotel, she said they really hit it off and she quickly fell for him and meeting Simon is definitely a turning point in her life as we'll get to later. So what was going on during this time when she met him?
Cecilie Fjelhoy Meets the Tinder Swindler
DANA: Okay, so this was January 2018 and there was a lot of things that happened in january 2018, the first thing that I thought was interesting is that there was the venus cazimi in Capricorn at 18 degrees, which we also just had at the exact same degree, this January, but it was retrograde. Um so it's kind of interesting that this came out at this time, but like the Venus cazimi is just going to like bring people into sort of like a very clarifying actually usually, but it could um, not to get ahead of myself, but she's an Aquarius Sun, so that's maybe not something is always going to indulge in their feelings. So maybe this is the time, especially like saturnian rulers, Saturn had just entered Capricorn, like within weeks. So this was sort of like us easing into like the age of Capricorn and this probably also would have made uh an international diamond businessman, like very dazzling. I guess, maybe I think that's always dazzling. Maybe I'm just too much of a cynic, but yeah, Well, that's what was going on. Also, Uranus is stationing direct in Aries on January two. So, um that was sort of like, that's squaring all this Capricorn stuff and any time Uranus stations direct, I feel like everything is just sort of like the Joker or like Yeah, I just feel like things are like a little, maybe I just feel like maybe I'm the Joker. But yeah, I just think that like energy sort of like a little wacky for a while, there was a leo lunar eclipse on January 31 and he has his Jupiter in Leo, so that could have made him also sort of like, that would be a turning point for him. Let's see, Mercury entered Capricorn on January 11. Um and so this is the first mercury with Saturn in Capricorn. This is also going to sort of like, this is a different part. This is a new era basically for all these Capricorn placements. So this could also make maybe communicating um more serious, like really leaning into sort of like, okay, like this, it's of course I can trust you, which is like Capricorn energy, like it's trustworthy, Its moral, I think it's dressed well. Oh, also in the cazimi chart, we have the moon opposite Uranus, the moon in libra, which is just sort of like your emotions are fully changing. You think you're seeing things that are new for the first time, Like there's a different color in your eyes, you know, it's like okay, this is, this could be done, this man is not a swindler, he's in, he's a diamond
Heir. Diamond mogul’s heir.
MADI: He used those liberal arts skills to do some sweet photoshopping, art fashion. So I like it. I like it. Yes, yes, all that. I was really thinking about the interesting returning back to the Venus in Capricorn and his head like closing up that whole big like start point cycle. But yeah, the Venus cazimi conjunct Pluto and was like interesting the timing of this coming out again that night definitely felt like a twist of fate if you will because of that happened. I think like Sun Venus, cazimi in Capricorn also has this instant like we're taking things seriously or like the money, the commitment. But again, all of his Capricorn being lit up in his chart and you know, we haven't talked about Ceci’s yet but hers too, the Moon was in Libra, which I feel like this is a nice like inner feeling of like we're connecting, we're vibing like um let's get codependent real quick, like
Especially was bless her, she's so smart and this is what blew me away about the whole documentary, all these women empathetic, emotionally intelligent, successful and so but I feel like that sometimes a little bit of a drug of like this is my fairy tale beginning and this feels really good. Um and then that mixed with like Mars, Jupiter in Scorpio, which I think can be like an intense like chemistry connection in the air, like, like amplifying that like sexual mars in Scorpio and little like even the miss tricks in her mind. She's like, yeah, we met this like hotel out of place, but it felt like mysterious and like a romance, like paperback novel like this guy just and he came on so strong and you know, I'm here, what am I doing? I'm like, yeah, there's definitely like a little bit of clouded their that mars jupiter and then either it's interesting, he's kind of in his like nodal opposition at this point. In addition to other things. Like so I always think about nodal opposition, it's like a turning point. Like are you going to choose your old life like past life like south node shadowy bullshit or are you gonna go somewhere new and stretch into like understanding the development and tools and growth. You need to go on your north node and that south node in Leo shows up so much through his whole process of this. Like I'm just like, no, it's not about me and like I want to be seen have all the things I want to be like a king of my own making and like not really worrying about anyone else ever, the consequences. So those were the things about that night that um I thought like yeah that tail end of that mercury in Sag sometimes can be a little um you're just not thinking straight again. Like I think storytelling and like it feels good and you're a little bit like excited about this big vision like he's international and he's mysterious and travel. Meanwhile, there's like a part of your brain like look what was actually right in front of you. Like cute.
DANA: And I'm literally always wondering like if I just am I able to say anything and make it sound true? Like just like let me double-check.
MADI: Exactly. Like there's so much spinning. So much spinning and yeah so definitely an interesting moment for them to be linked up.
ELYSE: Yes. Which makes a lot of sense because Ceci and Simon's date didn't turn out to be your typical first date. I know we mentioned that it was at a very like swanky hotel. It ended with Simon asking her to join him on a private jet to go to Bulgaria that very night and she was like mm mm mm mm mm just met you online. Don't know about anything about you but like sounds great. Let's do it. So you know like Dana and Madi said there's a lot of like clouded energy but like peak romance happening. So what is their biwheel like?
SARAH: Well also I feel like nowadays like if somebody was like, do you want to go on my plane to Bulgaria, I'd be like, are you trying to sex traffic.
ELYSE: 100%.
DANA: Like I don't get enough sex trafficking documentaries in 2018. I feel yet I feel like they probably know.
SARAH: But just to remember a biwheel is when we take two charts, we overlap them and then from that we could see dynamics and kind of like the influence, how people like rubbed off on each other in the relationship we're talking about.
Cecilie Fjelhoy & The Tinder Swindler’s Compatibility
DANA: Ceci has an Aquarius sun and an Aries moon. So at this time actually Uranus would have like been over her moon a few times, so that would kind of shake up any sort of emotional energy. I feel like at the end of like Uranus transiting your moon, you're gonna feel fraught at the very least, probably with a brand new insights, maybe like your world is opened up. But yeah, she's, she's at the end of her wits. Um and then yeah, the Sun in Aquarius really I think is interesting because it's so saturnian, but with his Capricorn moon and everything, I feel like he can really influence that and with Saturn having just entered Capricorn, it's sort of like they're starting their second return everything sort of getting serious. Also a Sun in Aquarius is someone who I think would be like, yeah, like I'm not gonna get serious, but I'll do like the craziest thing, let's go, but what I think is most interesting. Okay, so they both have like this nodal venus synastry. So I think it's always interesting when we do like a swindler or a grifter or someone who's like a sociopath and I, I want to try and find like what, like maybe where were they actually human that they wouldn't admit to or that they wouldn't even really fully get you. And I wonder if it wasn't for him. So his north node is like right on her venus in Aquarius. And so that kind of like make her feel like, okay, this is the future, but also usually north node is like the point that we're supposed to go to but doesn't really feel comfortable. And so she could like, it did seem like she was like, why am I doing this? Which I guess honestly most women should probably maybe feel in my opinion, don't get on a plane and then her south node is in Virgo where his venus is. And so the south node is like going to feel comfortable. So I don't know, maybe, maybe she gave him like maybe he wasn't always that confident. Kind of seems like he was because he had already swindled millions of dollars. But um yeah, the south was also going to make maybe like he like felt actually comfortable around her. I don't know if we'll ever get the truth.
MADI: Yeah, that's south known very well. I didn't think about that, but maybe that was also why she felt so comfortable and like she almost like take care of him and that like vulnerability that he would show. Like I feel like that was a common theme like even though he was this big diamond billionaire, she like loved it. Like he would be like vulnerable with her and like you know we're gonna talk about that. I know but like just like I guess maybe it's in that way I felt really comfortable to her like oh yeah we have this like connection and I get to be the one who like cares for you even though you're this big bad guy in the world. Yeah. The other thing about their chart when you were just talking and I'm just gonna say this whole episode keep your eyes on Uranus what you just said about like the end of Uranus on the moon. I was like absolutely not even like listen I am not like so certain plants. I always like track and points. I'm always looking at and I'll admit it's not always Uranus but in his chart with the moon conjunction are Uranus son square. And then I found out that Uranus rules criminals which I never knew and then with his like conjunct Neptune which is like deception and I was like okay so now all of a sudden I'm seeing everything like Uranus had a big part in this and like her sun in Aquarius, you know, traditional ruler Saturn modern ruler, Uranus. It's almost like, yeah, I need to have my life like this. And I think she was like a software engineer, something very in like I'm brilliant. But then there's that one full, Uranus part. It's like let's just pull the plug on our life. Like not be like everyone else look up to that point. She had lived such like a neat, beautiful like okay I did my good career. I had like, you know, I heard an interview with her, she was like the only thing I had before that was like my very normal like Scandinavian like student loan that was very manageable. So everything about her was very like measured and then almost like, like the, Uranus part of Aquarius kicked in and like let's just go crazy here in Bulgaria.
SARAH: So this kicks off a real whirlwind long distance romance between her and Simon. You know, he's messaging her every day, He's sending her tons of notes on WhatsApp. Videos of himself, like messages, he would like go back to London to visit her and they're like, they're making all these plans. Like he wants to move in together and you know, he sends her money to come visit him in different cities, but you know, he's like flashing all his money around, it's a whole big thing, she's like super into it and it's just like very all over the top and kind of like, I feel like drowning in it, you know, he's like drowning her in like love and attention and she was down for it.
ELYSE: What he was doing to Ceci is a term that's you know, pretty well known as love bombing and it's when one partner, it's typically a man. Um but it doesn't always have to be, they constantly shower their partner with affection, gifts, attention, compliments, constant communication. And the goal is they want to have that like sweep you off your feet, but ultimately it's to gain influence over them. So it's like you're giving them everything they want, like up front, which you know, in this modern world of dating is like so refreshing she probably felt, but really it's something it's definitely a red flag to look out for.
SARAH: And like all this really worked on Ceci you know, she was alone in a new city, She didn't have a ton of friends. So Simon was really giving her this attention that she really wanted and she needed and you know, this was like kind of how he sets his trap on her one day, he's supposed to visit her in London, but suddenly he says he can't come because he's being threatened by these enemies that he has and you know, he's like a rich diamond dude, so you're like, okay, obviously you would have enemies, you're a rich diamond man.
DANA: When they started saying enemies and I was like, oh that's weird And they're like, we're going to keep calling him his enemies. I was like, okay, I thought it was interesting how they introduced them with like sort of the fairy tale and like, and I asked her what her favorite fairy tale was because that was sort of like theme was prevalent in the way throughout. Like, especially with like these enemies of the guy was like my enemies, I'm going if you have enemies that you like to declare.
MADI: So weird because you look like deep guy on your enemies because like just saying enemies over and over again, I was cracking up and I love this like the mars in gemini storytelling fleshed out like the actual characters and plots like I have enemies. It's crazy.
DANA: This was before every woman knew to ask for a guy's birth time, so she wasn't aware of what you can do. We know so much more now we know about sex trafficking. You know about the word love bombing. I think I almost got so many words that really helped us to be like, that's not good. That's not good. We didn't know about just asking her birthday.
ELYSE: Yeah, it's really simple ladies, we can do this. But this is when he starts asking her for money, which she didn't really question in the way that she should have. But like Maddi said like I think she was really attracted to this vulnerability and like wanting to nurture and take care of him and he's like, I'll totally pay you back, but right now I need to give me money, I need you to open up a credit card in your name that I can use because I have these dudes on my ass trying to kill me and I can't be traced and she's like totally, I got you, I love you, you've done so much and like, it's the least I can do. And so she starts taking out lines of credit in her name for him to use.
SARAH: Yeah, So she's just like constantly now like taking out credit cards, lines of credit in her name. Simon is just like maxing it out in seconds, like recklessly spending her money and he's also starting to become like, more standoffish, like he's just kind of contacting her now to ask for money and while this is going on, our second little lady of the story enters the chat Pernilla,
ELYSE: Yes, and Pernilla is a Swedish business owner that had just split from her fiancée, So she was cruising on Tinder looking for rebounds and she sees Simon and Simon looks legit, so she decides to meet up with him and he does this whole like, I'm rich thing and before she knows it, he's flying her to Amsterdam to hang out and obviously this was happening while he was still dating Ceci. So what was going on for Pernilla when she met Simon?
Pernilla Sjoholm Meets The Tinder Swindler
DANA: Alright, this was March 2018, so this was about a month, two months later, there was one month in between and so throughout the month, the chart that I thought was really interesting is the chart for March 4th, which is the sun Neptune conjunction and the sun Neptune conjunction is always interesting. It's just when you're like, I guess it would be the Neptune Cazimi if they don't do outer planet cazimis but let's just call it that the Neptune cazimi it's like Neptune is in the heart of the sun. So it's just sort of like everything I'm like, it’s like laminating crayons is how the emotions feel. You guys know what I'm talking about right now.
SARAH: It's just like out there came out of nowhere. I was not expecting it at all.
DANA: I love it. That's what I do. Mercury was conjunct Venus in Pisces, so we're having all this Pisces energy, like anything can happen. Of course there's a fairytale, Why wouldn't this work out exactly in my favor? And then mars in Sagittarius, which was also jupiter rules that was squaring all of this and it's just sort of like, which is interesting cause it's all ruled by Jupiter in Scorpio, which we hate to stereotype, but hey, sometimes the shoe fits, so like it's just sort of like this energy, like that's like very like anything can happen. That would be great, but not really taking everything into account again.
MADI: Yeah, Neptune conjunct the sun is just like those days, like that's just like an Ayahuasca mushroom field, look at the cloud, like, I don't care if you don't like sign anything, don't operate heavy machinery. Um was on Tinder, that's the first thing. I'm like, why would a billionaire beyond Tinder like, did Raya not exist?
SARAH: That's what I was gonna say.
MADI: Like ladies, like, just that's the first thing, but yet some contracting up to and I'm just like, guys and myself included, I got a tattoo on that day one time huge. Like it just came out wrong. Like I learned my lesson with laminated crayon melted all over. I'm like, I do not recommend anything that big, Life-changing decisions anywhere even near that. And then of course there's other like, the sky is just chock full of Pisces. Like you said, like nothing is as it seems right, especially if you want to see something you're gonna see that.
DANA: And mercury and venus are conjunct chiron too. So it was like the tail end of that chiron in pisces. So everyone's like, like I've been through, this was like, when I ever learned about trauma, like that era.
MADI: Yes, no, literally and Jupiter and stuff like that whole year was like, like everything is so intense. It's like Harvey Weinstein me to everything, like I don't want to be alone and trauma like you're so right at the tail end of that chiron in pisces like making us make some bad decisions.
DANA: Yeah, like why not me? Because he's crazy.
MADI: It's exactly day or they're hanging out and I just wanna point out, where's the moon?
SARAH: Oh my God, I was thinking that libra moon, it was his time to shine.
MADI: The daughter thing was also weird.
SARAH: Oh yeah, no, we didn't even mention that, I didn't understand that part. Like did that happen to every woman or just her?
DANA: Sorry, you have enemies and daughter.
ELYSE: Yes and what they're referring to is on Ceci and Swindler’s first date on the private jet we didn't mention because it's really shady and we don't really know why but his daughter and his baby mama were also on this date on this small private jet like with them, but for some reason Ceci was like, oh he has a daughter and he's amicable with his ex, this is so nice but we didn't really hear from her the ex like no one really knows a lot of information about her or the daughter. I think some of that is still to be unraveled but it's definitely a weird situation but I think we can reasonably infer she probably depends on him for money so she's not trying to like call his ass out or alert him to the authorities because she's trying to take care of their kid.
SARAH: I think it was said on the doc that like that woman was someone that Ceci had noticed was like one of the Finnish women that he had scammed.
ELYSE: So that's like what makes it even weirder.
SARAH: I wouldn’t want Simon to be my baby daddy. I feel like it would just be a lot of like bouncing checks. Um but just like uh Pernilla also said she had this like very immediate connection with Simon right when she met him and you know, he was just like super easy to talk to. They kind of didn't like working like a boyfriend girlfriend way but they stayed friends and you know, went to like chic places together and like talked all the time again on WhatsApp. So what's their biwheel?
Pernilla Sjoholm & The Tinder Swindler’s Compatibility
DANA: Okay so she was born on January 7th, 1987 and she has a Capricorn sun and an Aries moon also, which is interesting but maybe not that interesting because what's a Libra always looking for the other half and Libra is opposite Aries. So their synastry is interesting because his moon is in the same sign as her sun. So they have that affinity which is always great. Like it's recommended often in like I think I don't know if it's the next industry, maybe it's both but like when a guy's moon is in conjunction with a woman's sun, it's like oh you've really hit that jackpot and then having his sun opposite her moon is sort of like then, so it's like that new moon energy and then also the like full moon, it's like the balance of where you get to like pull of tension, sort of like we're disagreeing but it's hot, we're all cardinal fans here. I just feel like it's like palpable, also action oriented. Like yeah, like I will still be friends like it's fine, we're not gonna date but we'll be friends forever until friends we have to do a documentary about.
MADI: Until expose you in this documentary.
ELYSE: Yeah.
MADI: I thought that was great with the like her Cap Sun and Aries Moon is just like the no bullshit too. But I was just like, oh yeah, like there's a part of her that feels like there's not a moment like you know, she has something immutable whenever she had Venus in Sag like this is fun Mars in Pisces but it's something about that like Cardinal energy was like you know like here is like not by being emotional but she's still like obviously kept him around. I was super just I think her story kind of fascinated me the most because she didn't have the like romance, like illusion, it was just some other connection that I was trying to understand and I do think it's like what you said like the sun moon synastry is like she might have been like yeah, I get it, you're ambitious, I love this and it's also just like speaking a language that I think she might have appreciated through her Venus in Sag like, oh I love that. She's like, yeah, I was just in Mykonos and he was there too and like great, like we just hop along and of course I'll cover you, your credit card's not working and didn't really think anything of it. But she was the one pretty quickly to be like, like she stopped at a line of like wait a minute, like outstanding balance, like I'm not.
ELYSE: Yeah, because she wasn't having sex with him. So she was like, okay, this like this friendship only goes so far.
MADI: Yeah. And she's like um all the Capricorn in me sees the Capricorn in you right now.
ELYSE: Yes.
SARAH: So yeah, Pernilla and Simon just like hung out, they did chic things, they globe trotted and then meanwhile poor little Ceci is just like bleeding out financially because Simon is spending all of her money, sending her fake wire transfers that won't clear, you know, she calls him out on it eventually, but he honestly just, it's kind of like a dick head to her and this is kind of where she realizes like, you know, something isn't right, I think I'm getting conned but by this time she realizes that like she's not going to get her money back and the crazy thing to me is like this all happened like basically like three months after she first met him. So she started giving her money away super duper fast. So like what was going on around the time when she realized that, you know, he was not who he said he was.
Ceci Discovers She’s Dealing with a Fuq Boy
DANA: So this is April 2018 and it was a lot going on in April, we have the mercury retrograde cazimi in Aries. So this is sort of cutting through that bullshit. It's sort of like, hey, let's go back and see what the fuss is going on here. It seems like uh on this these seven days, like what are these charges? You know what the hell? There's also the following day a mars Saturn conjunction in eight degrees of Capricorn. More of that, like, hey, like mars and Saturn are the two malefics. So it's sort of like uh extreme. It's sort of, it's not really, I don't want to say, it's like not in your favor, but it's sort of like, it's a turning point. It's not like the flowing energy, it's like, hey, let's see what's going on here. That's why it's, it's like, it feels extremely like changing something usually that you're comfortable with. And so in Capricorn too it’s sort of like the first time that Saturn was in Capricorn for 28 years, everything was sort of like, hey, let's look at this fine print, what the fuck is going on. Um and also would probably, I guess expose all of him um work because like that's what Saturn does, it's sort of like, hey, you can't do this. And then in April 15th Mercury stationed direct in Aries. So then that's sort of like the middle of the month, sort of like, it's like still uh energy of like, releases of Mercury in Aries, No bullshit. But then on April 17th chiron entered Aries, which is interesting. That sort of color. That's sort of like, everyone's like, oh no, I'm a baby again. Um and then Saturn retrograde in Capricorn, Pluto stationed retrograde in Capricorn. So it's sort of like a lot of like, power energy this month. It's just all like Capricorn Aries. It's like, it's a catholic me, but it was like, Jesus died a Capricorn and was resurrected in Aries.
MADI: Yeah.
ELYSE: That's a little too niche.
DANA: We went to Catholic school.
MADI: Yeah. I also love that so much. Yeah, it's like that he was that those. So, it's interesting sometimes with like, Mercury retrograde. I always think about them as like this, like, you know, Quarterly Review. Like how that kind of happened. It's like, what happened q one of our life, like even, it's not exactly marched out. So I feel like that like cazimi time, there's like the halfway point between this retrograde, we're also looking back like, let's just go back in our files, anything looking out of the ordinary won't go back, check up on, it's like, oh, I know in January when you met this dude and start taking out like half his like, romantic Ponzi scheme. I'm like, like that was like American areas, like not not on my watch, Like let's get a little more to like, you know, seeing things clearly like straight shooting. I don't know if this makes sense, but I always think about like chiron entering Aries and like, um you're honest was in areas at that time like, you know, doing his thing again, back to back to your honest, I didn't think I was gonna be talking about them that much but that part of life feels like like you're honest areas in the beginning felt like the rise of like social media and then me and I get to explore myself and I could be anything I want because I have a phone, I could be, or I could be a filmmaker, I could be like a model. I don't need to go through like agencies and do all this stuff. Um and so I felt like revolutionary on that. But then I feel like linking it with Chiron, it was like, okay, but now like we have to kind of like check ourselves because things have gotten a little out of control because you're just weaving this whole Mimi story like this guy's instagram looks amazing and coronary is like, like, and there's something else going on there. We're gonna have to pay the piper for that a little bit and so like that kind of stood out to me in this moment too because I'm like, hmm like not, I don't know. So it's like catching up like paying the price of all this like revolution of the, your honesty areas moment to be like, let's do some deeper here.
DANA: Well, it was like, like it was in uh Pisces with Neptune for so long. So it's sort of like trauma, which like everyone needed to learn to understand like what, what does this mean? Um, but then it entered, yeah, areas with Uranus. So it was sort of like a shock of like, hey, like not only are you no longer co-present with Neptune, you are now next to Uranus which wants to like get you.
MADI: You've been like swimming and I was like, okay, great. I'm not drunk anymore. I'm gonna put you on a live wire of electricity if you're wet, you're onfire.
ELYSE: Yeah. And that was sort of like around the time, like right before Instagram and social media was sort of like not, you know, right before things became a lot more regulated and this was sort of how like Fyre Fest. Speaking of another grifter, Billy McFarland, like how just like you could use the internet around this time just like, it was a free for all in so many ways. I mean it still is.
MADI: Exactly. Like like post pictures of random models and like I haven't, you're right, like it still can be that way but we are a little bit more savvy like these were the directors who took advantage of the first wave of that.
ELYSE: Like you could just create an online profile of like just pretending to be the son of a Brazilian air diamond guy and no one would even really question.
MADI: You also knew that that Brazilian guy diamond didn't have like a social media team. Like it's so weird that there's just this freaking random grifter.
ELYSE: No no he only found out about it I think after the documentary because he only just like sued him for like libel or something but like still crazy.
MADI: I mean he probably was like early days of social media like that has like you know google alerts and like things set up like verified check marks. But then it was just like oh you're the son of a billionaire we know because this photo this cool.
ELYSE: Good. That makes sense. Um But yeah so Ceci is now super deep in debt. She has creditors on her ass. It's so bad that people from the credit card company actually come to her house to talk to her about it. Which you know it's Norway it's a smaller country like that would never happen in America but you know I was like wow this is wild. But anyway apparently they had been investigating him and that's when she's told that Simon's name really isn't actually Simon and that he's actually a wanted con man.
SARAH: Yeah and I mean obviously she does not take this well on top of like the fact that she's now like super deep in debt and also like when you take out like I think like those quick loans, they have like insane interest rates on them. So you know the interest is piling up, she owes all this money, she can't pay back and she just realized this guy she was obsessed with like didn't technically even exist. So she kind of has a meltdown as like probably any of us would and she has to go to like a psych ward for a bit for like a tiny chill pill. And then when she gets out she's kind of just like yo fuck this guy and she starts investigating him more and learns that you know this was not his first grift. Prior to this, he had been in Finland and this is where he started kind of doing his whole like Tinder Con and he even spent two years in jail for it for defrauding women.
ELYSE: Yeah and that was what was going on the first time he went to Europe back in 2015 and this is where he sort of you know practiced this scheme of getting a false identity meeting a girl, love bombing the hell out of them, pretending to be super rich, claimed to be in danger have these enemies and then he'd have these women take out loans or give him money that he would spend on himself or the other women and he said he'd pay them back but never would. So he did end up going to jail for this.
SARAH: And after learning all this and this is where I feel like the Aries Moon, like really kicks in for Ceci like, you know, she's like, I'm mad now and everyone is going to know. So she she just is like, I'll burn you to the ground and anyone else to. So she reports Simon to England, she reports him to Norway and she's like, yo like arrest this guy and then she goes to Norway's biggest paper which is called Verdens Gang, which I don't even know if it's like what that means. But I think it sounds cool like I'm like let's gang up on someone and yes. Yeah, it sounds like cool, like let's break a window and they get some investigative journalists on the case to learn more about Simon.
ELYSE: The journalists uh dig into it. They start doing research and they're like holy shit this is actually a story. Uh they looked through Cecil's bank statements and see that Simon bought flights not only for himself, but someone named Pernilla and Pernilla is pretty active on IG and really easy to find. So the journalists reach out to her.
SARAH: So Pernilla’s just like minding her business and one day she gets this call from the journalists at V. G. And she's just kind of like what the hell because until this point she had no idea that Simon was like a little scamster man. However, it was kind of convenient timing for her because she had been giving him money already to kind of like help him out because he pulled his whole like enemies little grift on her. So she gave him around $45,000 so she was like pretty pissed when she learned she would probably never get it back. So she teams up with Ceci and they're like yeah let's go after this nerd. Which I love.
ELYSE: I love this. It's just still so crazy to me that like Pernilla is not even having sex with him, they're not even dating, she's in 45GS in debt with him with Simon Cecilia has like $250,000 in debt. I mean Madi, you're married, what would you what would you do if your husband was just like I have enemies like obviously someone you like love and have cultivated a long-term relationship with.
MADI: Even then I would be like so skeptical. My boyfriend was like call the cops like what are you talking about? Someone besides us, they can like handle this like like the FBI CIA like they were like well I don't like what I have to take out a credit card loan so you can like this is your enemy private jets like that was like oh my God it like like you're like smart you're not.
ELYSE: I know and that's what we want. Like they are smart.
DANA: Honestly I think they're from like very egalitarian hegemonic societies where like people so it's like so sort of they don't have to be suspicious whereas in America we're kind of cutthroat and very individual.
MADI: Like and they're like of course what's mine is yours? And clearly she must have done well for herself. And I was thinking like maybe at that level in that country if you have a certain level of wealth it's like of course because she was giving him like a couple $1000 at a time like buying him flights right? It's like it wasn't like one chunk all upfront
DANA: You're really unattractive to me right now. Like get away from me, Call your dad.
SARAH: Call your dad.
ELYSE: It's like I'm not going to play this game anymore. So she goes to Munich to meet up with Simon to get a watch back as repayment which unsurprisingly this watch turns out to be a fake butt jokes on Simon because V. G. Journalists were in Munich spying on them taking photos and then Pernilla was able to report him to the authorities for aggregated fraud.
SARAH: So eventually VG Puts out this article about Simon and really blows his spot up like they call him out on all his like shadiness and all his bullshit. And this was not good for Simon for like a variety of reasons. But it didn't help that his current girlfriend charlotte saw the article. So charlotte was on a plane also minding her own business, thinking she had like a secret boyfriend when she sees this article and it's like um that's my boyfriend. So what's going on the day Pernilla and Ceci exposed Simon?
Tinder Swindler Article Astrology
DANA: Okay so the article was published on February 16th 2019. So at this point the note had entered cancer and Capricorn right? So we're in again this whole new Capricorn era but also cancer and the North node in cancer. So it's sort of like at least bringing some sort of like like mother sort of energy like a nurturing sort of like a pull towards nurturing as well. And the moon was in cancer this day. So we have the moon opposite venus Saturn Pluto and the south node. And so the moon always like brings it down to earth, right? So it's like sort of exposing a spotlight like on all this sort of like oh like the money, the like sort of like seriousness. Like you're serious businessman. The power also just sort of like the South Node is like what's getting cut out of society. So it sort of like we're not doing this anymore, like I don't really care about your weird stories, but also interesting at this point, this chiron had retrograded back into Pisces. So it's sort of like getting that like last bit of sort of like tenderness I guess. Also, pisces being the last sign of the zodiac is sort of like unfinished business. So it's sort of like, oh, you thought you were done? No. And we have Uranus at 29 degrees of Aries. And mars is in one degree of Taurus, so mars had just conjuncted or conjoined Uranus within days before this. So it's sort of like all that would be like the energy. We're like, we're like behind like rubbish, like, you know, like taking pictures like with like the 1920s, but then a few days later there was a full moon on the February 19th and it was at zero degrees Virgo. So this is sort of like, hey, like all the details, everything that like, you know, it's sort of like coming through, you can tell us Madi, you were born in the opposite. Um and it has Neptune conjoined mercury. So it's sort of like, this is interesting because, I mean a full moon exposes, right? And then we have this like Neptunian Mercury like energy, which usually like doesn't really help cut through the details. But here, it's sort of, I feel like it's like exposing more of like everything that was like sort of like fuzzy before. And at this point, Karen had entered zero degrees Aries. So we're back in this like, hey, what's going on here phase?
MADI: Absolutely. Yeah. I was thinking about that for the February 16th date. I was like, okay interesting because of the cancer. Capricorn oppositions of all that I was looking at and like exactly like you said like South Node in Capricorn’s like cut this out like this like a true capitalist, you know, bullshit going on and one is in cancer. And I was like, oh that being the first like Earth node like moon linking up with like on his chiron of like all of his issues that he clearly has with like childhood, his mother, his sense of security, his sense of belonging. Honestly his relationship with like women in general, like all this wounded nous that he's acting from. I feel like that was like, like you said the moon is like let's bring this all out and and the north there was like we're just not doing that anymore and paid the price for some of the things that have been going on and then exactly with that full moon like yeah, like pisces Virgo, I always think about it like first of all, the last like full moon usually of the like astrological year like burgers, like let's just clean up. Like you said the pisces last trip of something closing out something Virgo’s like, but like let's really like get discerning here and what does this mean in real life terms like yes we were having a hot and like spiritual revelations and going through it and dark night of the soul maybe. But like like what does it mean? Like what do we need to really getting rid of? Like in the earth planet? Like that's always my thing, like what's the action steps and what do we really like me to look at here? Um So I feel like that was just like a full moon of like discernment bringing facts out, showing the receipts like where it was like here you go closer,
DANA: It's like that little magnifying glass that like diamond people carry around. So it's like hey like let's see like this cut and clarity, oh you're a loser.
MADI: Test confirms you are.
ELYSE: Also we always say at Allegedly Astrology Uranus is often present in breaking news charts, right? Dana.
SARAH: Yes.
DANA: So here we go. The opposition mars is also really sort of adds to that.
SARAH: Also to um I don't know if you guys looked it up but you can still see that story on the that they did on him called the Tinder Swindler from that magazine VG And it is like chic like the way they laid it out is super cool. It's very just like like it's not like a block of text like we would read now it's like very split up with like photos and it's like very cool. They really laid out his bullshit in a very cool way.
DANA: Journalism.
SARAH: At this time Charlotte had also been giving Simon money because of course she had, so she's like, I cannot believe this shit, but she decides to play along and scam him back.
ELYSE: I love Charlotte. So Charlotte worked in high-end fashion um and she was Simon's like longest term girlfriend and she had been dating him even before Ceci or Pernilla or anyone, so um but she worked in high-end fashion, like I mentioned, she knew Simon's designer clothes were worth a lot, so she met up with him, convinced him to give her his clothes so she could sell them on his behalf and helped him make some quick cash, but obviously she was never going to give him any of the money so she sold a bunch of shit on Ebay and kept the money for herself, which we love even though it wasn't even like close to paying her back, it was just like, it was just something to like hold on to what I feel like.
DANA: Yes, you can feel satisfaction in telling that and I liked it. Yeah, I really like being able to like feel when, when she was just like have a little smirk, I was like yes, good for you.
SARAH: So later she also realized that Simon was using a new fake passport to travel and she figured out his flight and called up Interpol and we don't have Charlotte's birth info. We just know, I think she was born in like 1995 or something, but I really hope this is the workings of a Scorpio where it's just like out of spite, I will destroy you, which I love. So Simon, a man wanted in Israel Sweden, England, Germany, Denmark and Norway was finally arrested for using a fake passport in Greece. So what happened when he was arrested?
Tinder Swindler Arrest
DANA: There was a total solar eclipse in Cancer on the day of his arrest, which is great right here we have this like, like everything that he said like his mother is here to like, you know, slap him on the wrist and put him in jail. Also, Mercury stations retrograde in Leo five days later, so it's like static in the sky. So that's sort of like Mercury exposing his Jupiter is like his south. No, like he's like mini me sort of like self-obsessive energy and I did the chart for Athens Greece. So in Athens it was Aquarius rising and a leo descendant. So that would also have to do with sort of like Leo being the opponent, like the opponent is like the individual sort of like the guy who thinks he's a king, right? And it was at 10 degrees of cancer. And so it's sort of like, I don't know solar eclipse in cancer. I like Cancer, solar eclipses because it reminds me of like how Lana Del Rey says my cancer sun in leo is moon. It's just like this like watery energy. It's like sort of like the night becomes the day. It's sort of like a focus on women uh in a way that I appreciate but also its opposite although like Pluto, Saturn and the South node of course. And so it's just sort of also like this is again like when people are like patriarchy patriot, like it just sort of like, like my little cousins word right there, like Children just sort of like, I don't know, it was really was like operating on that plane of sort of like cancer is a business person to write like cancer and Capricorn is like the excess of business, but cancer always gets called like the watery cry baby. And it's like, no, they're pretty much fucking like suffering through everything and now you're gonna suffer to. Um and we have also Mars just entered Leo. So again, there's sort of like that uh and mercury was would have like retro grated over it. So that's like a fighting sort of like really cutting through stuff, especially with like being ruled by the sun is gonna shine a light on like all the bullshit. Like Leo's about the self but it's not like really about bullshit. It's usually about gassing people up and like in a way that's real authenticity matters to me.
MADI: So absolutely. And yeah, I was just laughing exactly everything you said with the cancer, solar eclipse, I was like um eclipses are like, you know really faded moments or um they speed up time. They're like portals and I always feel like they're like a game of like karmic catch-up. Even like whatever if you've been blamed on some good karma universe like hold this, I'm just gonna press fast forward three X this bit and get you faster. But also equally if you've been on some bullshit and you have not taking responsibility and accountability for your actions like fast forward to get in jail like and it's like like real literal when I was looking at astrology it's like, oh my God, like total sort of in cancer opposite all these like you know, intense planets in Capricorn and I was like, oh yeah like it's like a woman's celebration of international women's day, Woman's smart pussy hats like yes, like this felt like some kind of reclamation and like you said that this woman like like down with the patriarchy and I love that his downfall came from like the collaboration of like
DANA: Yeah for sure I love that.
MADI: Because if no one came together, if no one spoke up and no one helped each other and no one believed women, he was still used to doing this bullshit. So I was like, I love that they came together and cancer to me is always like a circle like a business person, but the person who's like a non-hierarchical approach, like we all like sit in a circle and talk about things and Capricorn to me is like I am the head of the board do as I say and so like them coming together in this kind of like circle, but like you know, we're gonna take down this cap stellium bullshit.
DANA: Yeah, it's also sort of like a satisfying material result. I feel that, I mean it sucks that everything happened but I feel like so much is like look at this, it's like, I don't want to sign a petition. I want to see someone in jail literally like I don't want to square, like I don't want to ruin their life.
SARAH: Like Simon does get extradited back to Israel after fleeing the country for what seems like the millionth time and he gets convicted of four fraud charges and is sentenced to 15 months in prison. He also has to pay his victims only $43,000, which does not seem like a lot and he has to pay a fine, which was small, it was like five grand and so what was going on the day he received his sentence?
Tinder Swindler Gets Locked Up
DANA: So this is four days after the solar eclipse in Capricorn. So it's like that solar eclipse, that's the opposite of what we just talked about solar Capricorn and solar eclipse is also, it was with Jupiter, Mercury, the south node of course Saturn. Pluto, it's sort of like Capricorn is earth. So it's like bringing down to earth everything that sort of like happened with like this cancer. It's like, like you've been punished now, like you're, you're going to jail and like your life is going well. I mean you're like well-stocked for like a week because it seems like you had a really like easy sentence, but I wonder what is rising as I wish we know. But yeah, at this time like the moon had like, so when he went to jail, like the moon had uh already got into Aquarius and Aquarius is also all about like, hey now I have to pay back the collective, like it's sort of like we've moved like you've seen what it's like the extent of the crimes you've committed, It's sort of like, and now you're gonna pay well, mars in Scorpio is sort of like, it's an interesting um because like mars in Scorpio is usually seen it like the criminal, but here it is like squaring the moon and sort of just sort of like, I'm gonna put you in jail. So I feel like this is sort of like the enemy's revealing like, oh like if someone has enemies, then there's someone's enemy and do you really want to hang out with an enemy. It's kind of weird like, so you know, he's going to jail because he's an enemy of the state or whatever.
MADI: Like an enemy like the people like that, like Moon, like mundane astrology said like the Moon in Aquarius, like no you're just an enemy of the people. So it was like I always think that mars in Scorpio was like I'm not gonna stop until like we're at the like deepest place we can go with this and on like a more collective level because like unearthing like anything that's just like I always think about like Scorpio as it's like code ruled by mars and Pluto, like I'm gonna not stop until I unearth anything that's being like used as like a manipulation, misuse, abuse of power and I think on behalf of like the Moon in Aquarius it was like no we're going, they're like yeah put him in the ground.
ELYSE: Unfortunately he didn't go into the ground for too long because as of this episode, Simon is a free man, which sad, that's right, He was released from prison in 2020 for “good behavior” after serving only five months of his 15 month sentence. He now lives in Israel and is dating an Israeli model. Um you can see them gallivanting all over instagram. Simon has denied all the allegations against him and said he's just a single guy that wanted to meet girls on Tinder boo hoo. Um but you know, he's also recently signed with a talent manager and wants to pursue a career in the entertainment industry, even host a dating show.
MADI: You know, it's really weird when someone who like was bad like becomes sort of like they just like extend that charisma because he seems not charismatic at all to me. Like I haven't seen him talk of course right? But like it just seems like like—
ELYSE: We've only heard his terrifying voice memos.
SARAH: I guess, you know, it's like not 100% easy street for him because the real love Leviev Diamond family A. K. A. The one Simon lied and said that he was part of it is actually suing him for defamation, invasion of privacy, breach of trademarks and impersonation. As for the women in this case, they're fighting their own court battles. They're trying to get their money back and they made a go fund me and people are giving them money for that so hopefully they'll be able to get you know, make a dent in that debt.
ELYSE: A real slap in the face. I felt I was like God he doesn't have to pay their debts.
DANA: I know I think I think it has to do with because like all the different countries like saying that.
ELYSE: Yeah I mean he was smart to be like defrauding women in multiple countries and bopping around like as much as he was like for that very reason, it's just harder to get caught and harder to get charged. So alright, this is when we're going to do some predictions. So let's see what's going to happen with Simon. Do you guys think he's going to face any real consequences or will he forever skate along being a fuck boy?
DANA: No, I think, I don't think he will face consequences, but I do think, okay, so he was born 21 days before Mercury stations retrograde in Gemini and Mercury is going to retrograde in Gemini this fall and Mercury will be or not Mercury. I'm sorry mars everything I just said to put mars there, I think you have Mercury because I have Mercury and Gemini and yeah, so okay, mars in Gemini mars and Gemini will retrograde. Um, this fall in Gemini mars will be in Gemini for eight months. So it'll be, he'll have an eight month long mars return. So if anything will come out about him, it would be around that time, but vibe wise, I've been wrong before vibe wise, but I feel like I think I'm just gonna keep going right for him. Something that is interesting though, is that we have the eclipses in Scorpio and Taurus. So that'll be, its his nodal square so it's sort of like that point when Madi was talking about his nodal opposition now we're at the square point. So it will be a point when things turn for him honestly though it seems like things are going well for him.
MADI: Yeah. You know, I like have my predictions but I always like justice must win because my Venus in libra or whatever, I'm just like, oh my God bothers me. I think exactly at the mars in gemini we're gonna have a forever long mars in Gemini and that's I think it's too intense for all of us. It's like a long stated. I think during that retrograde there's gonna be some kind of return to this. Like it just can't be, it's too literal and like a return to like his words may be something of his words getting him in trouble. Like he is smart that you're honest thing I was talking about that is sort of like a genius, like a mad genius placement and that's why I'm watching this whole thing. I kept positive and looking over my brother in law and we're like this guy's a dirtbag but like he was smart with this like he knew all the loopholes and the rules and and I'm like calling in my markers energy mars and him and I catch him on some word and loophole, you know, like criminals go down from the weirdest thing. Like if it was like, oh no, like you stepped foot on U. S soil and you forgot to claim something and now they're gonna go back like I'm like I'm hoping and calling that mars retrograde like some kind of loophole on his word or some kind of loophole in his network has geminis are close connections like I don't know. Peter wants to come out and like be cool like clear his climate conscious or like his baby mama or someone like have a close connection of his maybe or someone from his childhood or sibling like give me some of that good good like mars retrograde in Gemini bending that like our mortal arc towards justice. But he does seem that Sun Square honest is like unfortunately I think he is always and he has his you know moon conjunction honest, I think he's always gonna be a little slippery, like he's not as like Teflon as looking like Donald Trump or something in his chart but like there's this sort of like he springs loose like but it's not like good, it's kind of like into more chaos. So I don't even know that's like a prediction but that's just what I'm that's the vibe I'm feeling from him. I always think in terms of predictions um what I was actually thinking on a larger collective scale because of again you're honest and revolution and what it can mean and that mars retrograde, I think we're going to be the whole mars in gemini we're gonna have a really interesting relationship with like words and there's a lot of astrology in the next like year and a half of like more ethics and like notorious about like conduct your honor is like ethics in digital spaces and how we present ourselves and our values and I'm like maybe he might not get his due and like you have to pay those women back, but maybe there'll be some sort of like catalyst point to like, hey Tinder, can you take some responsibility or flagging or American express? Like couldn't you have reached out? Like especially like Tinder and these sites like do you have any responsibility if someone is like dangerous on your platform and multiple complaints are filed against someone I don't know. But maybe that could be a cool like catalyst point to that conversation.
DANA: Yeah public spaces at this point. So it's sort of like, I think it should for sure be regulated.
MADI: Like something that's like, hey, if you have like multiple criminal complaints again. Right? I mean not like a huge regulation, just like maybe look at the people who have been flagged, you know, maybe check them out like, like it's okay if you're just not the best, you know, conversationalist or you go someone you're just legit running international, like millions of dollars scams driving someone into a psychiatric ward, like what's up? Like
DANA: God, what I thought was also the like I didn't realize that people were like calling them gold diggers. It's like they're clearly not golden. Like they're like they just want love. Are you kidding? This whole situation is really fun. Women over like
MADI: Yeah the internet has been interesting with it. I thought everyone's like on obviously he's an asshole listen to a podcast with this great like FBI profiler. He's like yes God needs to go to, he was so angry. But then I found out that there's a whole like of course like fan club for him of course like hating on the women.
ELYSE: That's so frustrating.
DANA: God I can't read it. I'll just go through it and be like here's what you're wrong, you're wrong.
MADI: you know I mean it's very like Aquarius Sun. I feel like for Ceci to have like just bared her soul of like she sent V. G. Like the newspaper, all of their texts, all of their messages on all of their photos. Like she like you know there was a lot for her to lose but like she did it for the greater good and like herself. Like I feel like she was like this is bigger than me and like it was able to like take him down. You know even though she wasn't just like so precious about her own.
DANA: I like that if I found it refreshing that they were talking sort of like in a way where they were obviously satisfied and it did feel like they were doing it like for themselves and for justice, which are the two good reasons to do it.
MADI: Exactly. Two very good reasons like for yourself and for justice.
ELYSE: Yes. Alright, well we're about to wrap up but before we do, there are just too many similarities not to do this, but we really need to just do a quick comparison with Simon and another famed Grifter and Anna Delvey. We love her. We did a whole episode about her from season three. Go check it out.
SARAH: Like just because you can go listen to it and get a ton more. We're gonna make this like super short basically. Anna pretended to be a rich German heiress. She scammed people out of a ton of money, much like Simon pretended to be a rich diamond mogul’s son and scam people out of money. So what do they have in common? If anything,
DANA: They have a lot actually in common. Okay. But she has an Aquarius Sun, an Aries Moon and she was recently confirmed as an Aquarius Rising. So everything from our, all of our soul returns and apply in reality except I think I called her maybe A Taurus moon and she's because she was born like in the middle but she's she'll be an Aries moon. Um
ELYSE: Oh my God so many Aries moons we're talking about in this episode.
SARAH: Yeah.
DANA: But she was born on the day that like it entered Taurus. So. Yeah but yea she’s an Aries moon. She was born 23 days after Mars stationed direct in Gemini. So the three things that I thought were interesting is that they both have debilitated suns which is sort of like finding your way in this world can be difficult like seeing yourself it's not really difficult right? It's not like but it sort of like the condition of sort of like the self is it's seen in a way that isn't the way everyone else's. So a Libra will find themselves in relationships and an Aquarius will find themselves among the people sort of like among the crowd. Like that's why like she really stood out, she was like all about her fashion, her selling glasses. Like she had like trademark things right? And he found himself you know in relationships like that that's how he deceived. And they also were both born on first-quarter moons. So although she has like an Aries moon just seemed to be confirmed since then the moon entered Taurus that day. So in her like lunar phases like the first quarter. So I actually don't really know that much about lunar phases. But the first quarter is all any like in practice it's always like a time when like what you put at like that new moon is sort of like there's like a turning point sort of like maybe a hiccup or maybe some sort of development. So it's sort of just like a, there's like a tension there anytime there's a square, there's like a tension. So it's sort of like between like How you want to be and like who you are sort of like what, you know, like what makes you feel good. And then also she was born 23 days after Mars stationed direct in Gemini. So they're basically equidistant from the stationing dates and I feel like retrograde like maybe the most interesting things to me in terms of like long-term cycles. Um just like, especially like doing the podcast, like there are so many things that we see that it's like, oh like these retrogrades like repeat over time. So it's sort of interesting that they're both in the public eye right now, but also sort of like that like duplicitous nature. Like there's not much evidence of her because she's maybe because she's an Aquarius that she's more like, hey there won't be, you know, a ton of evidence or maybe because she's a woman, she's like, I'm not stupid. Um Although he's clearly not stupid. He's way smarter than I'll ever be. Um But yeah, sort of like, I just think that the Mars in Gemini is interesting because well especially get to like really get experience. It's sort of like in our own ways and a little bit can't wait, but also if you're gonna fall into a coma now is the time.
MADI: Quickly, like piggyback. Exactly, all about what you just said, you know the first quarter moon. And it was interesting because it's like that struggle, it's like the first step, the initiation against the hiccup against the new plan moon, very connected to like your mother, your upbringing. And like both of them were like, I was born in some kind of shit condition by their own perspective and like make it even though it's gonna be like totally against the odds and like scrappy and like selling my soul in the process, but like I am out of this like my upbringing and they both did like, and I think that first quarter moon is a lot of like initiator, it's like tough energy. So I'm like did you get their um their Mars in Gemini? We can't ignore that. We talked about it so much and I think I really think about both of them like and you know, Anna Delvey I was living in new york city at the time when it came out, I was like party girl energy. So I knew a lot of people who knew her by like one connection to my juice shop and I found on her instagram, one of my juices that I used to sell and I was like, like she was very like the sphere, so I was very like intrigued by her at the time and I remember I know you know I'm not trying to like downplay or talk about women's looks too much but like I was intrigued but like you're not necessarily that charming or that beautiful or that like but some of that margin, this is words like you're just holding yourself with the command. She has that same like the triple capricorn energy, like the Saturn Neptune, Uranus. Like I'm going to be successful in business. I might go through some illusion and delusion there and Uranus, it's just like so unpredictable like really leaning into that. They both had a hell of a Saturn return. I'll tell them that like I thought my Saturn return up to some ship but that mars and Gemini like just her words, her weird accent but more of the, like I'm just storytelling like the in the documentary had the finance guy was like I gotta get in on this like him, like click click click override logic like go into this. And I was like that's amazing how both of them, neither of them are incredibly like that good looking that maybe a little bit charming for the guy, I don't know, love bombing but just that Mars in Gemini like powering through with words like doing
DANA: Like crime and art almost. I feel like a lot of, a lot of great artists are geminis right Kanye, my friend Kanye, me.
ELYSE: Oh my God. The power of storytelling, y'all.
MADI: Magic. It's like making something out of nothing and that's why we love it. They can go on this.
DANA: Yeah, so many loopholes, it's usually a crime.
ELYSE: Yeah, Well, Madi, thank you so much for joining us this week. We're so happy to have you. Where can people find you?
MADI: Yeah, come find me, my business account, the cosmic Rx have mm account, cosmic revolution. My personal I am Eddie Murphy just pictures of my dog and thirst traps of myself but come find me there too, you know? Yeah, I love a good Dm I'm slow on it sometimes, but I do check them.
ELYSE: Yes. And obviously listen to her podcast. How often do they come out.
MADI: Twice a week, baby.
SARAH: Damn.
MADI: Yeah, Friday, we have your energy report. Just 30 minutes of waiting to know if the week ahead astro weather and then on Mondays it's like a solo cosmic coaching episode using the energy of the season to like kind of give you some tips and tricks that have to do this whole human thing. Seriously, thank you for having me out. You have satisfied an itch in my brain forever. Like I just need someone who wants to dive deep into these astrology. The pop culture and the large moments and I found your podcast like maybe a year and a half ago or something on a road trip and I was like, no one talked to me, I love.
ELYSE: Thank you so much. So great, Yes, thank you again to Madi, definitely follow her, we'll be back next week with an all new episode.
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